tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post2463062689039025964..comments2023-05-22T09:02:33.752-06:00Comments on Say Something...(Period 1): Act 4 Discussion ThreadJessie C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01711523852272478418noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-78421379774905158882012-10-14T15:06:25.247-06:002012-10-14T15:06:25.247-06:00I agree because it seemed like once one girl said ...I agree because it seemed like once one girl said she saw something, then every girl joined in. I believed all the girls did this because they were afraid of what would happen to them if they got accused for witchcraft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-71164604172557130572012-10-14T15:02:56.590-06:002012-10-14T15:02:56.590-06:00I agree with you, but disagree at the same time. I...I agree with you, but disagree at the same time. I agree with you on that the court was at fault with what happend because it seemed like the court believed everything everyone said and had no disagreement. I disagree with you because I believe that the only reason why this had to go to court was becasue of Abigail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-44380248939886661112012-10-14T14:59:50.796-06:002012-10-14T14:59:50.796-06:001) I believe that the person to blame for everythi...1) I believe that the person to blame for everything that happend in Salem is Abigail Williams. The reason why I believe this is because she tells lies, and gets all the girls to follow her with calling people witches. An example of Abigail telling a lie is on page 43 when they are asking Tituba about the girls dancing in the forest. "Abigail points at Tituba. "'She made me do it! She made Betty do it!'" This is a lie because Tituba never made Abigail or Betty drink blood. Abigail is trying to save herself by making a lie about Tituba. Another reason for beliveing that Abigail is the main cause is by the quote on page 117. "Abigail- The wings! Her wings are spreading! Mary, please, don't, don't!" This quote shows that by Abigail lieing about Mary and the devil, all the girls follow her lead and do the same thing just to make sure that they do not get accused of witchery. What happend in Salem shows that this is the individuals fault.<br /><br />2) What spoke to me the most in act four was how Cheever even though he didn't mean to, basically said that this town is so dumb for what is going on. On page 125, Cheever states, "There be so many cows wanderin' the high roads, now their masters are in the jails, and much disagreement who they will belong to now." This quote spoke to me because it showed that what Salem was doing was so stupid, because everybody believed every word that was spoken of witchery. <br /><br />3) Individual judgement played a role in this act because Proctor chose the death of himself. He chose death because he was ashamed of what happend to Salem. Page 143. "...How may I live without my name? I have given you my soul; leave my name!" This quote showed that Proctor did not want his name on the church door because he did not want his name to be public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-31373415451630986042012-10-09T21:21:02.773-06:002012-10-09T21:21:02.773-06:00Well we see that there is examples of both, but sp...Well we see that there is examples of both, but specifically we see Rebecca Nurse standing up for what's right to her when she states, "Why, it is a lie, it is a lie; how may I damn myself?...".(Miller 140) That is where we see her standing up for herself, where she is stating that I will not back down based on what she knows to be true about herself. She continues to say, "...I cannot, I cannot."(Miller 140). That is where we see that she understands that she will die for it, but she will stand up, because, despite the consequences, she wants to do what she believes to be "right". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-57992576517609019722012-10-09T21:16:44.979-06:002012-10-09T21:16:44.979-06:00In answer to your question, I believe that answer ...In answer to your question, I believe that answer is simply literary. The book states, "Aye sir, She swears now that she never saw Satan; nor any spirit, vague or clear, that Satan may have sent to hurt her. And she declares her friends are lying now."(Miller 99). Therefore, because of this we can infer that things such as "If Jacobs hangs for a with he forfeit up his property - that's law!"(Miller 96) and Proctor revealing, "Mary. Now tell the Governor how you danced in the woods." that their change sparked from threats and deception. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-90291235870009980302012-10-09T21:10:02.625-06:002012-10-09T21:10:02.625-06:001. While Abigail may be the spark that started the...1. While Abigail may be the spark that started the mass hysteria, she is not the only one to blame. The real perpetrator is societies belief in the spiritual world. Without the fear of God, or of the Devil, none of this would’ve been an issue. Therefore, I would like to blame the Devil for, regardless of your beliefs, generating the hysteria. This is demonstrated when Tituba states, “Take me home, Devil!...”(Miller 123) This is showing that she is calling upon the devil to take her to her death. The idea of the Devil was enough for people to fear his name and thus, it created mass hysteria for the people who also believed that God cursed those that familiarised themselves with the devil. So the individual is Abigail for starting the fear, but the masses only feared it for they lived in a society where the fear of otherworldly beings was very prominent. <br />2. The most emotionally striking passage for me would be, “Why, it is a lie, it is a lie; how may I damn myself? I cannot, I cannot.”(Miller 140). This struck me because of the fact that it is showing someone standing up for their beliefs, despite the consequences. This strikes me then because of how I feel everyday, trying to stand up for what I believe in, even though I know I may not like the repercussions. <br />3. I fear that regrettably, my favorite passage, which shows individual judgement, is the one that I have already quoted, “Why, it is a lie, it is a lie; how may I damn myself? I cannot, I cannot.”(Miller 140). This is such a significant part because it is showing that though she may be condemned by others, she will not judge herself based on what she knows to be fictional. Therefore, she is pursuing individual judgement by judging herself based only on what is true. <br /><br />How are we controlled by what society says? Is it by their actions or their confidence in their words? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-30425046130228755472012-10-09T21:08:30.860-06:002012-10-09T21:08:30.860-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-26329423113838116992012-10-09T21:05:43.695-06:002012-10-09T21:05:43.695-06:00I disagree with Ashley and Taryn. I believe that ...I disagree with Ashley and Taryn. I believe that very few if any felt remorse because they did believe in witchcraft at that point in time. The whole town was in chaos towards the end of the trials, but these leaders still did not know whether or not they were dealing with the devil's followers. To them the trials may have just ended because the accusations had stopped.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-42386142395017801282012-10-09T21:01:05.918-06:002012-10-09T21:01:05.918-06:00I think that everyone just hears things from there...I think that everyone just hears things from there friends and believes it right away. We rarely ask for evidence when were hearing things from our friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-48816787891921669052012-10-09T21:00:05.949-06:002012-10-09T21:00:05.949-06:00Krissy, I agree that Abigail is to blame. But don&...Krissy, I agree that Abigail is to blame. But don't you think that if she were worried about other people's lives more than her own, she would have destroyed them as she did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-40874668793306258042012-10-09T20:58:22.037-06:002012-10-09T20:58:22.037-06:001. I believe that Abigiail Williams should be the ...1. I believe that Abigiail Williams should be the one to blame. She blames other people for her actions and lies to people's faces. She trys to control people. Abigail, on page 43 says "She made me do it! She made Betty do it" she is blaiming someone else for what she is doing.<br /><br />2. Proctor spoke the most to me. He went into his emotion so deep and I felt like I could feel what he was feeling. On page 143, "Because it is my name.....I have spoken your soul" this shows how powerful John Proctor is and how much conviction he has.<br /><br />3. Individual judgement is being shown between John Proctor and Mr. Danforth when Mr. Danforth says that Proctor will burn in hell if he doesn't tell the truth about seeing Rebecca nurse with the devil on page 141. <br /><br />Do you think the court could have done more with how much power they have to make it more fair?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-1315375849335391892012-10-09T20:50:45.488-06:002012-10-09T20:50:45.488-06:00I believe in wasn’t selfish at all for Giles to no...I believe in wasn’t selfish at all for Giles to not say anything because it saved his family. Since he wasn’t formally accused of anything his sons can inherit his lands and save his family name. This shows that Giles was actually the most unselfish character giving his life so that his family could go on unharmed and so they could keep their land. This is said by Elizabeth on page 135 when she says “So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm.”Bryce Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781753585111830084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-55476004260990926732012-10-09T20:47:03.105-06:002012-10-09T20:47:03.105-06:001) Abigail is to blame for the start of this scar...1) Abigail is to blame for the start of this scare which led to so many executions and prison sentences. She definitely started the social hysteria. “Let either of you breathe a word, or the edge of a word, about the other things, and I will come to you in the black of some terrible night and I will bring a pointy reckoning that will shudder you,” (Miller 20) says Abigail as she commands that their actions not be revealed. This is how the whole showdown began. And even though all the men and women in Salem at the time were consumed by this social hysteria, there was no excusing their actions. Although the people of Salem had no doubts about the young girls at first, it should not have taken them so long to figure out that the girls were lying.<br /><br />2) In this act the part that spoke to me the most was when Proctor says “I want my life… I’ll have my life.” (Miller 137) This spoke to me because it showed that sometimes we will override our conscience and make decisions for the better of ourselves instead of for the better of others.<br /><br />3) Individual judgment plays a large role in this act because without people having certain views of each other, i.e. Abigail’s view of Goody Proctor, nobody could have been accused of, sentenced or executed for witchcraft. Without Abigail’s bias towards all of the people she accused, this could not have started. And without all of the so-called “witches” biases, the hysteria would not have been able to spread and not nearly as many would have been imprisoned and killed.<br /><br />Why do people just “go with the flow” even in times of crisis?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-11978870720668317502012-10-09T20:45:55.170-06:002012-10-09T20:45:55.170-06:00I believe that people just “hop on the band wagon”...I believe that people just “hop on the band wagon” because of human desire to fit in with others. It is human nature to want to have friends and not stand out. This is shown in the Crucible because not a lot of people wanted to stand up to the “band wagon” or the witch trials. An example of people getting on the band wagon in the book is on page 142 when Proctor list all the people that confessed and got on the band wagon. He said, “You will not use me! I am no Sarah Good or Tituba…”.Bryce Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781753585111830084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-48392045174847184212012-10-09T20:45:21.132-06:002012-10-09T20:45:21.132-06:001).I think that the main person to blame would be ...1).I think that the main person to blame would be Abigail because she started it all of by lying in the first place. Then their are more to blame because they took advantage of the situation by blaming people for being witches for their own personal gain like when Giles says "That bloody mongrel Walcott charge her. Y'see, he buy a pig of my wife four or five year ago, and the pig died soon after"(page 72). This shows how people of the town were using the witchcraft idea to get people back for stuff done long before. So Abigail did start it all and played a big part but there was more than just her to keep it going.<br /><br />2). The thing that spoke to me the most in this act was how Giles died. He knew that his kids would get his farm as long as he didn't say any thing so he didn't. I felt that he died most respectfully by not saying anything because if he talked at all he would be called a witch. This is expressesed when Elizabeth says "He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property."(page 135).<br /><br />3). Individual judgment is shown by Giles when he knows that his sons would get his land if he did not talk and if he died a Christian death by not being deemed a witch. So he basically told them to kill him by telling them "more weight"(page 135).<br /><br />Should people always go the easiest route by agreeing with the majority? Or should they stand up for what's right even if it gets them killed?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-23252767633766233282012-10-09T20:35:17.452-06:002012-10-09T20:35:17.452-06:001.) I believe that the actions that occur in Salem...1.) I believe that the actions that occur in Salem are cultural hysteria but some people can be blamed for causing and keeping the cultural hysteria going. One person that I think started the cultural hysteria is Abigail Williams. One reason I think this is because Abigail was the leader of the girls calling people witches. This is shown on page 117 when Abigail starts coping Marry Warren when she says “She sees nothin’!” and then the girls start coping Marry as well. This shows that Abigail leads the girls and is a huge reason for the cultural hysteria that occurred in Salem. The person that is most to blame for keeping the cultural hysteria going is Danforth. The reason that I say this is because he is so stubborn that he won’t listen to others and thinks he is right and this leads to the death of a lot of people. An example of this is on page 129 when Danforth won’t listen to Hale or Parris and says “Now hear me, and beguile yourselves no more. I will not receive a single plea for pardon or postponement. Them that will not confess will hang…”. This shows that Danforth was a major cause of the hysteria staying strong because he kept hanging people and won’t listen to anyone that said that the witch hunt was getting ridiculous. But overall this was a cultural hysteria fault because the general population could have gotten together and stopped this but they didn’t.<br />2.) What spoke to me the most was the fact that Elizabeth is pregnant and that craziness that happened in only a few months in Salem will affect so many generations. This baby will grow up without a father at the very least. The world that was Salem is now so crazy that this baby is going to have a hard childhood when it could have been avoided. On page 134 when the first thing that Parris says to Elizabeth after so long apart is about the baby you know that he feels sadden about what the baby is going to have to live up with. <br />3.) Individual judgment plays a huge role in this Act. An example of this on page 143 when Proctor says, “Because it is my name! Because I cannot have another in my life! Because I lie and sign myself to lies! Because I am not worth the dust on the feet of them that hang! How man I live without my name? I have given you my soul; leave me my name!” This shows that Proctor took back his confession basally because he wants his name and his self respect. This shows that Proctor would rather die with self respect then live without it. This also shows that Proctor has enough faith in God to die rather than lie. This is why he takes back his confession and chooses death instead of the alternative.<br /><br /><br />Some questions that I have are… Did Proctor make the right decision? Does Danforth really not see how he is murdering so many people and putting the town in to hysteria? What drives people to figure everything out?<br />Bryce Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781753585111830084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-44960355788297344522012-10-09T20:25:35.615-06:002012-10-09T20:25:35.615-06:00I believe that the court could have done the trial...I believe that the court could have done the trials more fairly by bringing in an outside jury that could ultimately decide the fate of the girls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-2463375685124037492012-10-09T20:20:33.389-06:002012-10-09T20:20:33.389-06:00I agree with Jack that the affair between Proctor ...I agree with Jack that the affair between Proctor and Abigail got this entire story started. The affair ultimately leads to Proctor and Elizabeth getting into a large argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-76328609300609321392012-10-09T20:07:49.449-06:002012-10-09T20:07:49.449-06:00I see why you believe Abigail is the one to blame ...I see why you believe Abigail is the one to blame but later she says that she never saw Satan and that she is with god now. I believe the whole society is to blame based on the fear brewing inside them. This is what controls them and makes them make these decisions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-24135464220012384532012-10-09T20:05:42.827-06:002012-10-09T20:05:42.827-06:00I disagree with your first statement. I believe t...I disagree with your first statement. I believe that their religion and cultural beliefs are the reason they act this way. This is because they believe Satan is the spirit that is inside the people causing all the trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-31596944078715492272012-10-09T20:03:35.782-06:002012-10-09T20:03:35.782-06:00I completely agree with number 2. Proctor really ...I completely agree with number 2. Proctor really has stuck to his beliefs while everyone else in the society have changed. It seems like he has figured out why these people are acting this way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-78444675415358521832012-10-09T20:01:25.716-06:002012-10-09T20:01:25.716-06:001. I believe that everyone is to blame. Sure Abiga...1. I believe that everyone is to blame. Sure Abigail and all the girls who danced in the forest would seem like the people to blame, but they were doing this because it was fun. The people in the town just were taught to believe that actions like these were not things a human would do unless possessed by spirits. Later in the play on pg 99 Procter states "She swears now that she never saw Satan;nor any spirit, vague or clear, that Satan may have sent to hurt her. And she declares her friends are lying now.", this shows that the girls were just scared and the idea of fear was in everyone minds. This fear is what caused the towns people to go "crazy" and start confessing.<br /><br />2. While reading this act I notice that Proctor has lost control of the situation. That he used to be the one everyone was looking to lead them in this dark times and now everyone has gone crazy and have killed fellow towns people because of it. On page 119 he says "A fire, a fire is burning!", this shows that he has figured out that the people are over reacting and are being controlled by the fear inside of them.<br /><br />3. In act three Proctor has lost control of the situation and the towns people notice this. Now everyone has turned on him and now think that he is the cause of this. On page 118 Mary Warren says "You're the devils man!", this shows that Mary has turned on him and believes that he is possessed by the devil and the cause of all this hype.<br /><br />What is the reason behind the way the people act from the beginning of the trials and the way they act at the end of act 3?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-6251717666481904342012-10-09T19:51:06.981-06:002012-10-09T19:51:06.981-06:001) Abigail is the one to blame for the events that...1) Abigail is the one to blame for the events that took place in Salem. She pointed her dirty little finger. She is evil and controls people. In a Sense she is like a poppet master in this play. When they were in the court room in act III she blames Mary Warren for casting her spirit out on her. The whole court is thrown into a riot. The Girls do what she does and see what she sees. She is a terrible person and is to blame for the lives of several. If we take a look at this quote from Abigail "She made me do it!" (pg 43 miller) this just started the fire that burnt down the city. Abigail blames Tituba for making a pact with the Devil. Thus, she started the hysteria. <br /><br />2)My favorite part of Act four is when Tituba and Sarah Good are in the jail cell planing their lives. It shows the courage they have. It shows how high spirited the two girls are. I'll just let Tituba explain it for you "We goin' to Barbados, as soon as the Devil gits here with the feathers and the wings"(pg 122 miller) Tituba is quite the jokester. I love it :)<br /><br />3) This whole book is nothing but judgement by people and blaming each other. It is a he said she said story. THE fourth act is no different. It is quite an annoying story because of how quick to jump to conclusions everyone is. It's terrible. As proctor says "Who will Judge me?"(pg 138 miller) let me give you some advise... everyone is going to judge you. No mater what you do it will never be right in this play. <br /><br />What makes us want to explain everything? why can't we let something go a mystery rather than make up some lame reason why?<br /><br />DEEEEEEEEEEEEEGS OUTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-50918823237732410902012-10-09T19:30:09.708-06:002012-10-09T19:30:09.708-06:00I agree completely, however, do you think this wou...I agree completely, however, do you think this would be a fast occurance or do you think it may take a while? Personally, I think that it would be a slow and painful process but they could get through it.<br />Michael vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00827900077855136617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-553529807340824740.post-59475088268020382152012-10-09T19:23:40.272-06:002012-10-09T19:23:40.272-06:00I agree with Keenan as well. Without the spark the...I agree with Keenan as well. Without the spark the fire would never have started. Abigail was the spark and the gasoline. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com